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    Times are changing ?

    At least, thats the hint from HBO executive leadership at Game of Thrones Season 3 premiere earlier this week:



    HBO chief hints at bundling HBO Go streaming with broadband | VentureBeat

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    Plepler suggested that bundling Internet service with premium streaming video services could be part of a new evolution for how content is packaged
    Why should consumers be forced to bundle? I should be able to purchase stand-alone content regardless who my ISP is, and not be forced to swallow any of Comcast's services if I don't want to.

    Anti-Trust laws were designed to prevent just this sort of "If you want product A, you must also purchase product B from us" shenanigans.

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    Its always the same old story.

    The providers point of view is simple, you are free to purchase only if you want to.

    They feel free to bundle the way they want to ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabis View Post
    Its always the same old story.

    The providers point of view is simple, you are free to purchase only if you want to.

    They feel free to bundle the way they want to ...
    It was not always the same story. The reason they can do this is lack of real competition. The reason competition is lacking is they bought off the political process. Believe it or not, there was a time when our representatives were moral enough to make that difficult if not impossible.

    The current system still profits from the exalted image of the glory days of the U.S.A. For example, people in older, wiser countries, such as Italy, simply don't pay taxes if they can't afford it. It would be considered immoral to pay, and take food out of the mouths of your children. They simply can't throw everyone in jail. In another generation or two we'll figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickideemus View Post
    It was not always the same story. The reason they can do this is lack of real competition. The reason competition is lacking is they bought off the political process. Believe it or not, there was a time when our representatives were moral enough to make that difficult if not impossible.

    The current system still profits from the exalted image of the glory days of the U.S.A. For example, people in older, wiser countries, such as Italy, simply don't pay taxes if they can't afford it. It would be considered immoral to pay, and take food out of the mouths of your children. They simply can't throw everyone in jail. In another generation or two we'll figure it out.

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    Even if the exalted image of the glory days of the U.S.A. isn't real any more, you still have available more options than most people do in many other countries.

    For a start, most of the people living in the US have more than 20 TV channels available for free, using a simple antenna.

    In many countries you have less that ten, tipically 4 or 5.

    You also have lots of other offers, for a reasonable price, such as Netflix, Hulu+, Vudu or Amazon.

    For those outside of the US, the only option is to pay extra cash and use a VPN, from almost everywhere to the US.

    And even like this, you need to have some friends in the US, to get you iTunes card codes, a real address to get stuff and so on.

    As an alternative there are a few companies in the US that can take care of a few of these details for you. For a price of course.

    Even so, for many of those that dont live in the US, it makes sense to pay for all of this.

    One reason is that local offer of TV series for instance, doesnt have the original US soundtrack, and is exhibited sometimes a year later, and the local price is higher.

    I insist that you are free to purchase, only if you want to.

    Let me add, that like you, i dont fancy this kind of situation ...

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    Theres a bit of incorrect information there....

    As far as channels received go, the US is comparable to many other westernised nations.

    We cant access Hulu, Netflix, etc. because they are only licensed to distribute to US audiences, it only matters if you want the content within a very short period after it is released. Afterwards it becomes available through local providers who are licensed to do so here/elsewhere (for example: http://www.quickflix.com.au/ ).

    iTunes isnt limited to the US, so I dont know what you are trying to say there...

    Yes there can be some delays, a year is pretty unlikely, 6 months could be now and then, but if its popular it could be only hours or weeks after the US gets it. And yep, thats not always fast enough (I'll be the first to admit Australians are renowned for pirating popular US series, and can often outnumber those pirating it in much larger nations), but its hardly a scenario where we have absolutely no choice. And sure there will be exceptions that for whatever reason arent released outside of the US, usually for good reason .

    If I want to get stuff made in the UK, there can sometimes be similar delays, though not usually as bad.

    I would assume that if you in the US wanted Australian, New Zealander, or UK content, you would be subject to similar delays, or may not receive the tv series at all (or get some horrible US spinoff series that almost never turns out good).
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    Well probably things are better "down under".

    You have iTunes in many places, but contents varies greatly from place to place.

    The same is somehow true for Netflix.

    If you dont have a decent OTA, like in many places in Europe (excluding the UK), you dont have an alternative like Hulu+, Vudu and so on.

    Also some stuff takes a long time to be available, and then you get it locally without the original soundtrack, i mean in French, Italian or Spanish.

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    Im sure you would have distribution platforms there too, they just arent well known beyond their own countries. I do know that Netflix at least covers Ireland and parts of Scandinavia. And there is of course, the ever-present iTunes.

    As for the releases you will generally find whatever is released there is tailored for the most sales, in countries where the overwhelming majority can speak fluent English, they may release the original unaltered. Otherwise it will be dubbed, or otherwise edited to be fit for local release.

    If you do want it in the original version, its not hard to import it from another EU member which carries it. At most, this may mean you may have to wait 6 months for the DVD/Bluray release. To be perfectly honest though, studios dont bother dubbing/editing that many movies or series (its expensive), and will usually just ship the original version with localised subtitles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabis View Post
    Even if the exalted image of the glory days of the U.S.A. isn't real any more, you still have available more options than most people do in many other countries.
    On the average, that's true, but it isn't due to anything great happening in the U.S. political system, nor among the citizenry. It's partly momentum from World War II, partly climate, partly the fact we still have a fairly small population relative to our natural resources.

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabis View Post
    For a start, most of the people living in the US have more than 20 TV channels available for free, using a simple antenna.

    In many countries you have less that ten, tipically 4 or 5.
    We live in the only country that constantly tells the rest of world "We're the greatest f'ers in the world!" Small wonder we're not the most popular in the world. Unfortunately, it's hard to find a single category where we're "greatest." We don't have the largest land mass, the largest population, the highest standard of living, longest life span, the best health, certainly not the best health care ... not by any objective measures. What do we have: the most nukes. That's it. Does that make us the greatest or the lowest?

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabis View Post
    I insist that you are free to purchase, only if you want to.
    Insist all you like, you're dead wrong -- literally. If you choose not to purchase our vastly overpriced, inferior health care, you could end up dead long before you have a chance to get a Visa to Costa Rica or whatever.

    Course it may be better to be dead than completely cut off from civilization, with no phone, no TV, no internet ...

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabis View Post
    Let me add, that like you, i dont fancy this kind of situation ...
    Not sure you realize how much has changed, and how much for the worse. Government deserves NO credit for technological advances -- if anything government has impeded progress the last 40 years. Take the tech toys away, and our standard of living is less than half what it was in the fifties, IMNSHO. Whaddacountry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickideemus View Post
    Not sure you realize how much has changed, and how much for the worse. Government deserves NO credit for technological advances -- if anything government has impeded progress the last 40 years. Take the tech toys away, and our standard of living is less than half what it was in the fifties, IMNSHO. Whaddacountry.

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    Believe me my friend, you probably dont realize how much has changed, and ONLy for the worse in Europe, at least in the last decade.

    For most of the people living here, the dream from the nineties of Europe being able to achieve of some kind of "United States of Europe" at least in political terms is dead.

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    The EU isnt intended to be a United States of Europe, other than same vaguely worded text aiming for "ever closer union" in the Solemn Declaration of the European Union, there hasnt been a policy of progress towards federalising the EU. Its definately got some federal-style elements to it of course.

    As for the impact of the GFC, it depends where in Europe you are. Some areas relatively unscathed, some areas down but not out (ie. paying their bills), and a few that were beaten flat and have had to rely on the EU heavyweights (mainly Germany) to bail them out of trouble.

    Even within single nations like the US you will find regions more affected and less affected depending on local industries.

    If Europe had really gone backwards, you would find the majority of people and european nations calling for its disbandment as soon as possible. Most european nations retain reasonably positive views towards the EU.

    It might just be me, and I dont mean to cause any offence (you probably wont take any, anyway), but I do find your views rather Amero-centric.
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    No offence taken.

    Africa, the USA, South America (namely Brazil) and Europe are the places i know best.

    I cant be Asian-centric, i've never been there

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    That isnt quite what I meant, but it doesnt matter
    Last edited by nbound-au; 03-25-2013 at 01:03 PM.
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