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Message: <p>[QUOTE="reverenddejesus, post: 211810, member: 34399"]Well rickideemus, you seem pretty assured of your political convictions so I won't try to argue with you about them. We can agree that the Clintons are conservatives with a liberal PR machine. I also think Obama makes a terrible president, but probably for wildly different reasons. I've not encountered Fox News or MSNBC ever trashing their own, at least not without self-defeating qualifications based on aspersions cast against the other side, and I watch a lot of both stations for my blogging and journalism. I also think 'deception is a bedrock requirement for anyone aspiring to high office' but I suppose it's what that lying is in service of (i.e. there's a case for saying that it's ok to lie to the press to keep them off your backs while working on what is good for the country) that makes the difference, for me at least.[/QUOTE]</p><p></p>