ATSC 3.0 will be here within 5 years to replace ATSC 1.0

[pjs344]

The FCC has finally granted voluntary startup of the new ATSC 3.0 system this year. Since ATSC 1.0 is not compatible with the new ATSC 3.0 system the FCC has guaranteed that the ATSC 1.0 system will not be turned off by the 5 major network stations for at least 5 years. During this time some stations will be sharing ATSC 1.0 transmitters with other stations (simulcasting networks like KTNV ABC HD 13.1 and KLAS CBS HD 13.2) and Some will upgrade their present transmitters or add a new transmitters for ATSC 3.0. When this happens the TV stations will tell you to do a rescan to get there station back.

Some low power DT stations will stay with the ATSC 1.0 system.(these low power stations typically have the secondary networks like MeTV and others like it that are in 480i) Right now there are very few if any 4K HDTVs or ota boxes with the new ATSC 3.0 tuners. So you might want to wait to buy your next 4K HDTV or ota box until they have the new ATSC 3.0 tuners in them if you want to get ota TV. When they do come out most HDTVs,4K HDTVs and 4K ota boxes should have both ATSC 1.0 and 3.0 tuners in them.

Even with the new ATSC 3.0 system most if not all the stations will use 1080i/p HDR (No costly station upgrade to 4K and only have the HDR upgrade) for local news and programing. Any programs in 4k HDR will be from local 4KDT productions and from the networks. The ability to do more with the TV signal is the biggest gain with ASTC 3.0 and many of stations will use ATSC 3.0 for data, ems and mobile streaming along with there TV broadcast. The other big benefit is better TV signal lock at longer distances and you should be able get those weaker stations with the ATSC 3.0 system.

 

[Fringe Reception]

Testing ATSC 3.0

https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/putting-next-gen-tv-to-the-full-test

 

[MrPogi]

I'm thinking some TV manufacturers will opt to NOT include an OTA tuner in the coming years. Vizio has already done this: They call them "Home Theater Displays". Make sure the word TV is in the product title as opposed to Home Theater Display or Monitor. TVs must contain a broadcast TV tuner, by Federal law!

Currently looking to replace my 2007 Phillips TV when I discovered this annoying fact. Vizio doesn't exactly make it clear that there is no tuner in their 4k sets!

 

[MrPogi]

Thinking about lack of a OTA tuner and ATSC 3.0 in the long term:
Since my current TV has lasted 10 years, I will need to buy a tuner at some point after ATSC 3.0 happens, or will I have to buy another TV if my next TV lasts as long? Most new TV sets have only 3 HDMI (Vizio has 4). Lets see, 1 tuner, 1 BR/DVD, and one other STB. That's 3 inputs right there... And ATSC 3.0 happens in 5 years...
Damn, this is getting difficult!

 

[Jim1348]

ATSC 3.0 Will Be Here Within 5 years To Replace ATSC 1.0

Thinking about lack of a OTA tuner and ATSC 3.0 in the long term:
Since my current TV has lasted 10 years, I will need to buy a tuner at some point after ATSC 3.0 happens, or will I have to buy another TV if my next TV lasts as long? Most new TV sets have only 3 HDMI (Vizio has 4). Lets see, 1 tuner, 1 BR/DVD, and one other STB. That's 3 inputs right there... And ATSC 3.0 happens in 5 years...
Damn, this is getting difficult!

That is an excellent point. Our two biggest TVs are Samsungs, 46 inches, and only have two HDMI inputs! I pondered that issue at the time of purchase, anticipating it being an issue in the future. Despite that, I decided that the additional cost of a TV with more inputs was not worth it to me at the time and I could simply buy an HDMI switch in the future, if necessary.

Both of those have a Tivo (one Tivo Romaio OTA and one Tivo Mini) connected to them and a streaming box. Ironically, most of my viewing is through a Slingbox, I have both a PRO HD and a 500, and they are fed by a Roku 3 and the Tivo Mini. Usually I am on the computer and have the laptop computer playing some video, via the Slingbox add.

Since my DSL isn't all that fast right now, it may be quite some time before a better streaming box is a viable choice for me.

As far as OTA goes, I am actually pretty satisfied with plain old boring ATSC right now. If I am watching on a laptop computer with a 13 inch screen, I really doubt that it will matter all that much to me!

 

[MrPogi]

Just purchased an LG 55" UHD from Sam's club for under $500. Has a tuner and 4 HDMI, 2 USB, I pick it up today. I'll write a brief review on the forum if I ever find time!

 

[dave73]

I'm waiting until ATSC 3.0 is put in TV's, before I upgrade my TV's. I hope by then, analog tuners are removed from the TV's. I currently have a Vizio 24 inch 1080p smart TV that works ok, but wished I hadn't bought a smart TV, as I didn't know it has Yahoo TV included for the Smart TV feature (I dind't know it used Yahoo TV, because I bought the TV refurbished, & it didn't disclosed the type of Smart TV service). Because of that, there are few apps available, as most app developers focused on Roku, Google Chromecast, Amazon Fire, & Apple TV the most. My next TV won't be a Smart TV at all, since I don't want it being obsolete too soon. That TV was either a 2013 or early 2014 model, & boght December 2014. My other TV is an Insignia 26 inch 1080p TV, that I bought on Black Friday 2012, & was originally bought for my mom, but it's now mine as of January. Both TV's I bought for $99 each. The Vizio only has 1 HDMI port, while the Insignia has 3 HDMI ports. I don't know what my next TV's will be next, but one thing I will require, is that I can do partial scans. My Insignia only does full scans, while my Vizio allows for me to do a full scan, or choose which channels to scan, including scanning individual channels. My nephew's Sanyo TV allows for full, or partial scan (scans for new channels, but leaves the scanned channels in place.

 

[MrPogi]

It's getting difficult to find a larger TV that isn't "Smart". Although my new LG has quite a bit of content I still have a Roku plugged into it. There are a lot of things I can't get on the LG, like Pandora.

Overall, I'm happy with the LG. I'll try to post a review here as soon as I find time.

 

[Tim58hsv]

When a TV Is Not Really a TV — Vizio's Tuner-Free Models[/URL]

 

[Tim58hsv]

Rant...
What I tried to post above was that Vizio is being very deceptive with their tunerless TVs by calling them ""Home Theater Displays" instead of "monitors", which is what they are. Most folks know what a monitor is but a home theater display? That's just Vizio being deceptive and dishonest, and thankfully no other TV manufacturer followed that trend which Vizio tried to start.

Apparently even Vizio has backed off of tunerless "TVs" and is now including tuners in all of their sets but too late from here since I will never again buy another Vizio product.

Rant over.

 

[pjs344]

Most TV MFGs will just add the the new ATSC3 tuners to there new sets by 2020 and most TV sets will have both atsc tuners because the Atsc3 switch is not mandatory like the switch to DTV was. So the switch will be slow do to cost and lack of programing in 4k. The 5 major network stations will be using both atsc1 and 3 transmitters first in the major markets (some will share atsc1 TXmtrs) and when they know that most of their viewers have TVs that can get atsc3 they will turn off there atsc1 TXmtr. Most of the Ind and rel Stations will wait as long as they can to switch to atsc3 and it may take 5 to 15 years depending on the market for all the stations to be atsc3 only. Since Atsc3 is not fully tested with all it will be able to do and it will take time to get the bugs out of it. So it's best to wait and buy a new 2020 or later TV if you can because the Atsc3 tuners my need updates as well. You should be able to buy a atsc3 tuner box by 2020 to add to your 4k TVs and most HDTVs will work with the box since most Atsc3 programming will be in 1080 to start.