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[QUOTE=&quot;Fringe Reception, post: 124214, member: 4739&quot;]DW,I raised my 2-Bay about 52 feet above ground level on a &quot;50 foot&quot; telescopic push-up mast with a rotor and side-mast without any guy wires.&nbsp; Raising a sixteen Bay to the same height, even for testing would be scary: one puff of wind and down comes the whole works.The 'alleged' gain of a sixteen Bay (in theory) should equal (or better) the minimal gain of a two Bay at a lower height and at 30-ish feet, it didn't come close.&nbsp; Zero reception on the same stations, because the signals were 22 feet higher and &quot;gain&quot; made NO DIFFERENCE.It is like Real Estate, except its in the air above your property: LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION!As you said (paraphrased) you need to find the (height) where the data stream is available to be collected.&nbsp; I see the arguement about alleged antenna gain as a straw man's claim or assumption: until an antenna is actually tried in a particular location, no one can claim it will work at any location before actually trying it at that specific location.Regarding your out of context quote, Hoverman antennas and their variations are not crap, they are excellent designs: they are great for some locations, but certainly not at my location per my physical testing here and the results of my tests.Jim[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Fringe Reception, post: 124214, member: 4739"]DW, I raised my 2-Bay about 52 feet above ground level on a "50 foot" telescopic push-up mast with a rotor and side-mast without any guy wires. Raising a sixteen Bay to the same height, even for testing would be scary: one puff of wind and down comes the whole works. The 'alleged' gain of a sixteen Bay (in theory) should equal (or better) the minimal gain of a two Bay at a lower height and at 30-ish feet, it didn't come close. Zero reception on the same stations, because the signals were 22 feet higher and "gain" made NO DIFFERENCE. It is like Real Estate, except its in the air above your property: LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION! As [U]you[/U] said (paraphrased) you need to find the (height) where the data stream is available to be collected. I see the arguement about alleged antenna gain as a straw man's claim or assumption: until an antenna is actually tried in a particular location, no one can claim it will work at any location before actually trying it at that specific location. Regarding your out of context quote, Hoverman antennas and their variations are not crap, they are excellent designs: they are great for [I]some[/I] locations, but certainly not at my location per my physical testing here and the results of my tests. Jim[/QUOTE]

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