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[QUOTE=&quot;Piggie, post: 42331, member: 2941&quot;]Jim, that is a very interesting concept!&nbsp; 1) Groups like ours have to be aware of politics that involve us. Many a group that ignored politics found their &quot;hobby&quot; gone through legislation.&nbsp; Hams, Hunters, and I see Auto Collectors also. 2) If a topic like the one that started this &quot;Future of OTA&quot; is CLEARLY political.&nbsp; The future is more threatened by laws than economics, though both could do it in.If a topic such as the OTA had been in a that section, or had it been moved to that section things would have been better.&nbsp; Ignoring politics to me is like ignoring the constant vigilance required to sustain a democracy. But even the tv related political section has to have limits.&nbsp; Once something is personal, then it can't stand.&nbsp; Picking at twisting words to another posters whim to discredit another poster can't stand.This would mean, any mod that decides to jump in the fray, can't mod, short of very blatantly obvious flames.If I were in the discussion, and someone on an opposite side were to do something that was obvious blatant I could comment as a Mod that that is a blatant flame.&nbsp; But if some here that use subtle twists to bait a flame, then how could I say, hey, you are trying to bait someone into a flame war, I could easily be called biased. And I might be, as something that looks like a spin or twist might honestly be the other person's point, and I either missed or didn't follow their explanation of why that was said.So moreover, if someone does that too you, meaning takes something you say that makes you think they are using it out of context or in a way you didn't intent. Then you need to ask the person, how do you mean that?&nbsp; Before assuming you totally understand what they mean, even if there is no doubt you understand what they mean.&nbsp; The simple affect of bringing that point out and asking for more explanation will stop the flame and make someone defend their position in clearer terms which may make you eat your words doubting their intent.If we can't do this type of discussion then it's all moot. Hope that long verbose babbling made sense.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Piggie, post: 42331, member: 2941"]Jim, that is a very interesting concept! 1) Groups like ours have to be aware of politics that involve us. Many a group that ignored politics found their "hobby" gone through legislation. Hams, Hunters, and I see Auto Collectors also. 2) If a topic like the one that started this "Future of OTA" is CLEARLY political. The future is more threatened by laws than economics, though both could do it in. If a topic such as the OTA had been in a that section, or had it been moved to that section things would have been better. Ignoring politics to me is like ignoring the constant vigilance required to sustain a democracy. But even the tv related political section has to have limits. Once something is personal, then it can't stand. Picking at twisting words to another posters whim to discredit another poster can't stand. This would mean, any mod that decides to jump in the fray, can't mod, short of very blatantly obvious flames. If I were in the discussion, and someone on an opposite side were to do something that was obvious blatant I could comment as a Mod that that is a blatant flame. But if some here that use subtle twists to bait a flame, then how could I say, hey, you are trying to bait someone into a flame war, I could easily be called biased. And I might be, as something that looks like a spin or twist might honestly be the other person's point, and I either missed or didn't follow their explanation of why that was said. So moreover, if someone does that too you, meaning takes something you say that makes you think they are using it out of context or in a way you didn't intent. Then you need to ask the person, how do you mean that? Before assuming you totally understand what they mean, even if there is no doubt you understand what they mean. The simple affect of bringing that point out and asking for more explanation will stop the flame and make someone defend their position in clearer terms which may make you eat your words doubting their intent. If we can't do this type of discussion then it's all moot. Hope that long verbose babbling made sense.[/QUOTE]

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