Subchannel Chat (Over-the-air) ie: THIS TV, RTN, Independent Channels
The webpage for "This TV" shows a basic schedule of shows and movies for each day of the week at THIStv - Check local listings for availability there's no other information about the network on there. hehe
FYI a typical show-movie rotation schedule for "This TV" looks like this (For 4-5-09):
6:00 amPatty Duke
The Little Dictator - Patty makes trouble for Cathy, the student principal.
Starring: Patty Duke, William Schallert, Jean Byron
6:30 amMister Ed
The Old Swayback - Ed persuades Wilbur to take in an old swaybacked horse.
Starring: Alan Young, Allan "Rocky'' Lane, Connie Hines | Directed By: Arthur Lubin
7:00 amRobinson Sucroe
Robinson finds the island packed with shipwreck survivors, pirates and journalists.
Children - Animated
7:30 amThe Adventures of Paddington Bear
"Old Master Paddington''; "Paddington and the Pardon''; "A Picnic on the River.''
Children - Animated
8:00 amFlight Squad
Trial by Fire
Children - Animated
8:30 amRipley's Believe It or Not!
French mud-slinging festival; the world's largest merry-go-round; flying snakes and vampire bats; men of courage.
Docudrama - Reality
9:00 amAnimal Crackers
Sherlock Dodo; Poultrygeist
Directed By: Louis Piche
9:30 amSpider Riders
First Impressions - A new Spider Rider, Igneous, challenges Shadow and Hunter to a battle at the Arachna Coliseum.
Children - Animated
10:00 amBat Masterson
No Funeral for Thorn
Starring: Gene Barry, Joi Lansing, Elisha Cook Jr. | Directed By: Alan Crosland Jr.
10:30 amAlexander the Great
Aristotle's student, Philip of Macedonia's (Fredric March) son, Alexander (Richard Burton) wants to rule the fourth-century B.C. world.
Starring: Richard Burton, Fredric March, Claire Bloom | Directed By: Robert Rossen
141min., Rated NR
1:30 pmThe Hotel New Hampshire
A New Englander (Beau Bridges) and his odd clan run a hotel in Vienna.
Starring: Jodie Foster, Beau Bridges, Rob Lowe | Directed By: Tony Richardson
110min., Rated R
3:30 pmHow to Murder Your Wife
A hung-over cartoonist (Jack Lemmon) wakes up married to the blonde (Virna Lisi) who was inside a stag-party cake.
Starring: Jack Lemmon, Virna Lisi | Directed By: Richard Quine
118min., Rated NR
6:00 pmJuggernaut
British experts (Richard Harris, David Hemmings) try to disarm bombs on a captain's (Omar Sharif) ocean liner while a manhunt takes place on land.
Starring: Richard Harris, Omar Sharif, David Hemmings | Directed By: Richard Lester
109min., Rated PG
8:00 pmBloody Mama
Tommy-gun-toting Ma Barker (Shelley Winters) leads her deranged sons and gang on a 1930s crime spree.
Starring: Shelley Winters, Pat Hingle, Don Stroud | Directed By: Roger Corman
90min., Rated R
10:00 pmLittle Cigars
A voluptuous blonde on the lam from her sadistic gangster boyfriend becomes involved with a team of midgets.
Starring: Angel Tompkins, Billy Curtis, Jerry Maren | Directed By: Chris Christenberry
92min., Rated PG
12:00 amBurn!
A British colonist is sent to instigate a revolution on a Caribbean island instrumental to the sugar cane industry.
Starring: Marlon Brando, Evaristo Marquez, Renato Salvatori | Directed By: Gillo Pontecorvo
112min., Rated R
2:30 amThe Fugitive Kind
A guitar-playing petty criminal (Marlon Brando) wanders into a Mississippi town and attracts two troubled women (Anna Magnani, Joanne Woodward).
Starring: Marlon Brando, Anna Magnani, Joanne Woodward | Directed By: Sidney Lumet
119min., Rated NR
5:00 amMister Ed
Ed, the Donkey - Ed begins to wonder if he is actually a donkey.
Starring: Alan Young, Allan "Rocky'' Lane, Connie Hines | Directed By: Arthur Lubin
5:30 amPatty Duke
The Working Girl - A job at an ice-cream parlor proves too much for Patty.
Starring: Patty Duke, William Schallert, Jean Byron
FYI a typical show-movie rotation schedule for "This TV" looks like this (For 4-5-09):
6:00 amPatty Duke
The Little Dictator - Patty makes trouble for Cathy, the student principal.
Starring: Patty Duke, William Schallert, Jean Byron
6:30 amMister Ed
The Old Swayback - Ed persuades Wilbur to take in an old swaybacked horse.
Starring: Alan Young, Allan "Rocky'' Lane, Connie Hines | Directed By: Arthur Lubin
7:00 amRobinson Sucroe
Robinson finds the island packed with shipwreck survivors, pirates and journalists.
Children - Animated
7:30 amThe Adventures of Paddington Bear
"Old Master Paddington''; "Paddington and the Pardon''; "A Picnic on the River.''
Children - Animated
8:00 amFlight Squad
Trial by Fire
Children - Animated
8:30 amRipley's Believe It or Not!
French mud-slinging festival; the world's largest merry-go-round; flying snakes and vampire bats; men of courage.
Docudrama - Reality
9:00 amAnimal Crackers
Sherlock Dodo; Poultrygeist
Directed By: Louis Piche
9:30 amSpider Riders
First Impressions - A new Spider Rider, Igneous, challenges Shadow and Hunter to a battle at the Arachna Coliseum.
Children - Animated
10:00 amBat Masterson
No Funeral for Thorn
Starring: Gene Barry, Joi Lansing, Elisha Cook Jr. | Directed By: Alan Crosland Jr.
10:30 amAlexander the Great
Aristotle's student, Philip of Macedonia's (Fredric March) son, Alexander (Richard Burton) wants to rule the fourth-century B.C. world.
Starring: Richard Burton, Fredric March, Claire Bloom | Directed By: Robert Rossen
141min., Rated NR
1:30 pmThe Hotel New Hampshire
A New Englander (Beau Bridges) and his odd clan run a hotel in Vienna.
Starring: Jodie Foster, Beau Bridges, Rob Lowe | Directed By: Tony Richardson
110min., Rated R
3:30 pmHow to Murder Your Wife
A hung-over cartoonist (Jack Lemmon) wakes up married to the blonde (Virna Lisi) who was inside a stag-party cake.
Starring: Jack Lemmon, Virna Lisi | Directed By: Richard Quine
118min., Rated NR
6:00 pmJuggernaut
British experts (Richard Harris, David Hemmings) try to disarm bombs on a captain's (Omar Sharif) ocean liner while a manhunt takes place on land.
Starring: Richard Harris, Omar Sharif, David Hemmings | Directed By: Richard Lester
109min., Rated PG
8:00 pmBloody Mama
Tommy-gun-toting Ma Barker (Shelley Winters) leads her deranged sons and gang on a 1930s crime spree.
Starring: Shelley Winters, Pat Hingle, Don Stroud | Directed By: Roger Corman
90min., Rated R
10:00 pmLittle Cigars
A voluptuous blonde on the lam from her sadistic gangster boyfriend becomes involved with a team of midgets.
Starring: Angel Tompkins, Billy Curtis, Jerry Maren | Directed By: Chris Christenberry
92min., Rated PG
12:00 amBurn!
A British colonist is sent to instigate a revolution on a Caribbean island instrumental to the sugar cane industry.
Starring: Marlon Brando, Evaristo Marquez, Renato Salvatori | Directed By: Gillo Pontecorvo
112min., Rated R
2:30 amThe Fugitive Kind
A guitar-playing petty criminal (Marlon Brando) wanders into a Mississippi town and attracts two troubled women (Anna Magnani, Joanne Woodward).
Starring: Marlon Brando, Anna Magnani, Joanne Woodward | Directed By: Sidney Lumet
119min., Rated NR
5:00 amMister Ed
Ed, the Donkey - Ed begins to wonder if he is actually a donkey.
Starring: Alan Young, Allan "Rocky'' Lane, Connie Hines | Directed By: Arthur Lubin
5:30 amPatty Duke
The Working Girl - A job at an ice-cream parlor proves too much for Patty.
Starring: Patty Duke, William Schallert, Jean Byron
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No contact information or list of affiliates either. Heck, the This TV Wiki page has a much more information on it than This TV's page. 
LOL Paddington Bear got started on Nickelodeon in 1982 on the Jim Henson series, Pinwheel which was Nickelodeon's version of Sesame Street!
The Busy World Of Richard Scarry was a older Cinar-produced show which aired on Nick Jr. in the 1990s until Scarry's death it airs around 10:00AM on ThisTV.
Patty Duke/Mister Ed comes on at 4:30 and 5:00 here. Duke is at 4:30 to 5:00, then Ed is a double show-block from 5:00-:30 and :30-6:00AM
I hope more B&W classics show though, Lassie is one show i have missed since it was removed from Nickelodeon's program schedule around the late 1980s. it NEVER showed on Nick @ Nite or TVLand.
The Busy World Of Richard Scarry was a older Cinar-produced show which aired on Nick Jr. in the 1990s until Scarry's death
it airs around 10:00AM on ThisTV.Patty Duke/Mister Ed comes on at 4:30 and 5:00 here. Duke is at 4:30 to 5:00, then Ed is a double show-block from 5:00-:30 and :30-6:00AM
I hope more B&W classics show though, Lassie is one show i have missed since it was removed from Nickelodeon's program schedule around the late 1980s. it NEVER showed on Nick @ Nite or TVLand.
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One night I caught "The Burning" on late at night. It's one of those 80's slashers and one of my favorites at that.
RTN is coming to the boston market soon as well. I just found this out. They are replacing a home shopping channel with it. (Thank god!)
I'd rather have RTN then see some people trying to sell you stuff all day
RTN is coming to the boston market soon as well. I just found this out. They are replacing a home shopping channel with it. (Thank god!)
I'd rather have RTN then see some people trying to sell you stuff all day
Let's talk about THIS TV,RTN, and other awesome sub-channels our affiliates have.
Does your market have a THIS TV or RTN or other awesome sub-channels not available on analog basic cable?
Do You enjoy the programming on THIS and RTN?
How strong does they lock in on your equipment?
I like THIS TV alot. Their movie selection is getting better by the day. They don't show to many TV shows except Outer Limits, patty duke, mister ed, and a few obscure 80's cartoon series I don't remember quite well. This is the only movie type sub-channel we have out here. The Rhode Island market has an RTN but I'm to far away (80+ miles) to catch them.
Does anyone live in a market that has that "Universal sports" sub-channel? Is it like an ESPN knock off or do they show actual MLB games? Or is it mostly independent sports games (city/town games). How about music channels? We don't have any out here.
Maybe someday they'll add even more sub-channels on the digital spectrum. I hope they doopcorn:. I'm sure we'll all agree rather then pay 10 bucks a month for analog cable when we can get FREE crystal clear picture and sound plus some extra movie channels the cable watchers don't get. :thumb:
Does your market have a THIS TV or RTN or other awesome sub-channels not available on analog basic cable?
Do You enjoy the programming on THIS and RTN?
How strong does they lock in on your equipment?
I like THIS TV alot. Their movie selection is getting better by the day. They don't show to many TV shows except Outer Limits, patty duke, mister ed, and a few obscure 80's cartoon series I don't remember quite well. This is the only movie type sub-channel we have out here. The Rhode Island market has an RTN but I'm to far away (80+ miles) to catch them.
Does anyone live in a market that has that "Universal sports" sub-channel? Is it like an ESPN knock off or do they show actual MLB games? Or is it mostly independent sports games (city/town games). How about music channels? We don't have any out here.
Maybe someday they'll add even more sub-channels on the digital spectrum. I hope they do
opcorn:. I'm sure we'll all agree rather then pay 10 bucks a month for analog cable when we can get FREE crystal clear picture and sound plus some extra movie channels the cable watchers don't get. :thumb:
Chicago has This TV, and is on WCIU 26.4. WCIU's parent company, Weigel Broadcasting is part owner of This TV. I like watching the few movies that I like, as well as watching Mr Ed. Tribune Company is creating a station that they claim will compliment This TV, called Antenna TV, and will be carried on Tribune owned stations first, then on non-Tribune station in other marrkets. It will carry movies and TV shows as well, though the shows will be 70's & 80's shows. Depending on the marketing agreement, this might hurt Weigel's MeTV & MeToo as the programming will come from Sony Pictures & DLT Entertainment (which is what Weigel has for classic TV programming on their Chicago low power stations & WCIU subchannels).
RTN is now RTV, and is not available in Chicago. Supposedly, low power digital station, WPVN-LD (owned by Polnet) is listed as an RTV affiliate, but people who can get the station say the station has yet to carry RTV. No full power TV station that has available bandwidth shows interest in RTV. Weigel Broadcasting especially shows no interest in RTV since they have locally programmed MeTV (Classic Comedy) & MeToo (Classic Drama) on their 2 low power stations (WWME-LD for MeTV & WMEU-CA for MeToo) & on WCIU 23.1/26.2 (MeTV) & 26.3/48.1 (MeToo). Not only that, they're maxed out on bandwidth as they have the main channel in 720p, along with 6 subchannels (2 subchannels that simulcast).
All NBC O&O stations carry Universal Sports, and WMAQ (NBC O&O) carries Universal Sports on 5.3. It's in SD, and it mostly shows old sports programs. It could be old olympic shows, races, volleyball, golf, basketball, or hockey. It depends on what they want to show on any peticular day. It does show a lot of infomercials during the overnight hours & early morning hours (before 7 or 8am CT).
As for all 3 subchannels, as these are subchannels in the Chicago market, the signal strength depends on the main channel itself. WMAQ is usually around 60 -80%, WCIU is usually around 65-80% (concerned it might get weaker for me, as their upgrade will weaken the signal in Indiana in order to allow their low power station in South Bend (WCWW-LD) on RF 27 (same as WCIU) to broadcast non-directional at 15kw, and will interfere with each other in all of LaPorte County & parts of Porter County in Indiana, but will be stronger in the northern & western suburbs of Chicago). Though WGN-TV doesn't have an official subchannel right now, I'll have a clear picture of their upcoming Antenna TV, and WGN-TV is the strongest UHF station for me at 80-95% signal strength.
Woot to Dave73 for pulling this thread back up, I never would have found it otherwise!
Perhaps we can make this thread sticky, Jay? I think it's important enough.
Here's a link you all may find useful:
List of United States over-the-air television networks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here in cache valley UT, I'm served by translators in UT and ID. We get most of the Salt Lake channels and a few Idaho (Pocatello) stations.
Here's what I get for subs:
2.2, ThisTV. (CBS KUTV sub) I love This, but I have a few complaints. One, HEY, how about broadcasting in 16:9? After all IT IS a movie channel, and all the movies are shot in wide screen. I hate pillarboxes. I undrestand it uses more bandwidth, but it can't be THAT much more. I don't care if it's SD, I'm 15 - 20 ft from the screen, I'll never notice. And the other complaint is the late night infomercials - Ok, once in a while is alright. I understand the need to make money, just not extended blocks.
3.2, MyTV. We get this from Idaho. Its nice to have MY available, although it has the same time slots and episodes late night as our local FOX affiliate (Seinfeld, Simpsons, Family Guy... same episodes, out of sync by 5 minutes!)
4.2, Untamed Sports. The hunting, fishing, outdoors, etc. Channel. Very rarely, I will find something worth watching here.
5.2, Universal Sports. I'm not a sports fanboy. If I was, I could watch this sometimes. It has all those sports that American sports fanatics don't care about: Bicycling, soccer, Volleyball, etc. I have tuned into the Women's Beach Volleyball, but not for the game. (Word to the wise: don't look too closely, and be glad its not HD!) I did like that they showed alternative venues for the Olympics on this network... really nice.
5.3, Local weather. Nice to have, although they have an annoying repetitive music track. The SAP channel has KSL-FM, but it's strange, my TVs and converter boxes handle it differently. My big screen doesn't see the SAP at all.
7.1, KUEN, Utah Educational Network, although a PBS affiliate, they show mainly distance learning programming.
7.2, World: International programming (PBS sub) Some good stuff occasionally, along with your daily dose of Al-Jazeera.
7.3, V-me, Spanish language. Shame they don't closed - caption or SAP in English, because they have some shows from cable... and you KNOW the original was in English with English CC!
8.1, KUTA-LP, America One and Telemundo: This is one of our 2 local LP stations, and its really messed up. They seem schizophrenic, they are America One during the day, and Telemundo overnight. The website has no mention of America One network, no programming guide, and the station has no PSIP. Anyway, America One has a few good shows occasionally including soccer games, and for you menfolks, there's Wrestlicious. Think "pro" wrestling from the '70s with babes. Yea, its funny as hell.
9.2, MhzWorld, another PBS sub. Some occasionally good shows.
9.3 is an audio only NPR station.
10.1, IDPTV, (sd) Idaho PBS, Some pbs and some Idaho - specific public TV. (has kids shows from 5am to 5pm, great for kids)
10.3, PBS LEARN. Along with PBS CREATE, this channel is our go-to replacement for HGTV network and the like.
10.4, WORLD. Again, because we can never get enough PBS / PBS subcannels in Idaho and UTAH!
11.1, 11.2, 11.3, KBYU / BYU TV. The Mormon channel! This "network" is seen as BYU on most Pay-TV systems. It's a PBS affiliate, and along with LDS programming 24/7, 11.1 will show "wholesome" classic TV shows sometimes (Lucy, Waltons, My Three Sons, etc) at night.
11.4, PBS CREATE. Our other do-it yourself / cooking, etc. Go-to channel.
(12.1, KUTF-DT, is owned by DAYSTAR and went dark with the digital transition. DAYSTAR still has a license to operate here in Logan, UT. No big deal if they never come back)
13.1, is an sd sub of fox13 13.2hd. they simulcast 13.2, I have contacted their engineering dept, and they have no plans to broadcast any thing else at this time. (I am attempting to push them to RTV)
14.1 is KJZZ tv, an independent station. It used to be My Network, but dropped that. They also used to broadcast Utah Jazz games, and have local news. After the owner of KJZZ and the Utah Jazz died, they sold the rights to Jazz games to FSN Utah, and dropped their newscast. Larry's kids own the station and don't seem to care about anything but the money. They also show Friends, Scrubs, The Office, Frasier, George Lopez, and My Wife and Kids, along with showing LDS Movies and programming (The Miller family are devout Mormons)
16.1,2, and 3 are ION, QUBO, and ION Life, respectively. We can't get here because there is no translator for them and no plans by local governments to fire one up. I've got a translator 18 miles away with a big mountain in the way. Wish I could get these, QUBO is a kids network.
20.1,2,3, and 4 I could get sometimes if I turned my antenna around. But why? They're a religious channel, they are affiliated with FamilyNet (20.1) with Biz Television / Home on 20.2 and Jewelry TV (20.3), and VidaTV (20.4), Religious / Family Spanish language programming from Salt Lake. I might like to have Biz.tv and the occasional old TV show (Bullwinkle and Underdog on Saturday AM cartoons? Hmm!) Just too much work for a somtimes signal on a not desirable channel.
26.1, KCVB, "the Valley Channel" Man, this is sooo useless. Its local and broadcasts SD locally produced infomercials for local business. I don't know how they could ever turn a profit with THAT business model! They also sometimes broadcast local High School Sports, which would be fine if they didn't split a game into 3 parts! Oh yea, they have no PSIP.
30.1, The CW. I want this station, the FCC has approved a translator, but the county has yet to put up the money. I just want to watch Saturday Night Live because the local Mormon owned NBC affiliate has decided for me that it is an evil, evil show. Yherefore, nobody can watch it. It is now carried on CW-30 in the same time slot.
Networks I'd like to get?
RTV (old time tv)
the ION triple play, (ION, QUBO, ION Life)
CW, (just for my SNL)
The Cool (Music Video)
Tuff (Male-oriented programming)
LiveWell HD (Health, Lifestyle)
I'd also like to see cc / SAP used more and more creatively on subs, and some good radio or music channels on subs.
Perhaps we can make this thread sticky, Jay? I think it's important enough.
Here's a link you all may find useful:
List of United States over-the-air television networks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here in cache valley UT, I'm served by translators in UT and ID. We get most of the Salt Lake channels and a few Idaho (Pocatello) stations.
Here's what I get for subs:
2.2, ThisTV. (CBS KUTV sub) I love This, but I have a few complaints. One, HEY, how about broadcasting in 16:9? After all IT IS a movie channel, and all the movies are shot in wide screen. I hate pillarboxes. I undrestand it uses more bandwidth, but it can't be THAT much more. I don't care if it's SD, I'm 15 - 20 ft from the screen, I'll never notice. And the other complaint is the late night infomercials - Ok, once in a while is alright. I understand the need to make money, just not extended blocks.
3.2, MyTV. We get this from Idaho. Its nice to have MY available, although it has the same time slots and episodes late night as our local FOX affiliate (Seinfeld, Simpsons, Family Guy... same episodes, out of sync by 5 minutes!)
4.2, Untamed Sports. The hunting, fishing, outdoors, etc. Channel. Very rarely, I will find something worth watching here.
5.2, Universal Sports. I'm not a sports fanboy. If I was, I could watch this sometimes. It has all those sports that American sports fanatics don't care about: Bicycling, soccer, Volleyball, etc. I have tuned into the Women's Beach Volleyball, but not for the game
. (Word to the wise: don't look too closely, and be glad its not HD!) I did like that they showed alternative venues for the Olympics on this network... really nice.5.3, Local weather. Nice to have, although they have an annoying repetitive music track. The SAP channel has KSL-FM, but it's strange, my TVs and converter boxes handle it differently. My big screen doesn't see the SAP at all.
7.1, KUEN, Utah Educational Network, although a PBS affiliate, they show mainly distance learning programming.
7.2, World: International programming (PBS sub) Some good stuff occasionally, along with your daily dose of Al-Jazeera.
7.3, V-me, Spanish language. Shame they don't closed - caption or SAP in English, because they have some shows from cable... and you KNOW the original was in English with English CC!
8.1, KUTA-LP, America One and Telemundo: This is one of our 2 local LP stations, and its really messed up. They seem schizophrenic, they are America One during the day, and Telemundo overnight. The website has no mention of America One network, no programming guide, and the station has no PSIP. Anyway, America One has a few good shows occasionally including soccer games, and for you menfolks, there's Wrestlicious. Think "pro" wrestling from the '70s with babes. Yea, its funny as hell.
9.2, MhzWorld, another PBS sub. Some occasionally good shows.
9.3 is an audio only NPR station.
10.1, IDPTV, (sd) Idaho PBS, Some pbs and some Idaho - specific public TV. (has kids shows from 5am to 5pm, great for kids)
10.3, PBS LEARN. Along with PBS CREATE, this channel is our go-to replacement for HGTV network and the like.
10.4, WORLD. Again, because we can never get enough PBS / PBS subcannels in Idaho and UTAH!
11.1, 11.2, 11.3, KBYU / BYU TV. The Mormon channel! This "network" is seen as BYU on most Pay-TV systems. It's a PBS affiliate, and along with LDS programming 24/7, 11.1 will show "wholesome" classic TV shows sometimes (Lucy, Waltons, My Three Sons, etc) at night.
11.4, PBS CREATE. Our other do-it yourself / cooking, etc. Go-to channel.
(12.1, KUTF-DT, is owned by DAYSTAR and went dark with the digital transition. DAYSTAR still has a license to operate here in Logan, UT. No big deal if they never come back)
13.1, is an sd sub of fox13 13.2hd. they simulcast 13.2, I have contacted their engineering dept, and they have no plans to broadcast any thing else at this time. (I am attempting to push them to RTV)
14.1 is KJZZ tv, an independent station. It used to be My Network, but dropped that. They also used to broadcast Utah Jazz games, and have local news. After the owner of KJZZ and the Utah Jazz died, they sold the rights to Jazz games to FSN Utah, and dropped their newscast. Larry's kids own the station and don't seem to care about anything but the money. They also show Friends, Scrubs, The Office, Frasier, George Lopez, and My Wife and Kids, along with showing LDS Movies and programming (The Miller family are devout Mormons)
16.1,2, and 3 are ION, QUBO, and ION Life, respectively. We can't get here because there is no translator for them and no plans by local governments to fire one up. I've got a translator 18 miles away with a big mountain in the way. Wish I could get these, QUBO is a kids network.
20.1,2,3, and 4 I could get sometimes if I turned my antenna around. But why? They're a religious channel, they are affiliated with FamilyNet (20.1) with Biz Television / Home on 20.2 and Jewelry TV (20.3), and VidaTV (20.4), Religious / Family Spanish language programming from Salt Lake. I might like to have Biz.tv and the occasional old TV show (Bullwinkle and Underdog on Saturday AM cartoons? Hmm!) Just too much work for a somtimes signal on a not desirable channel.
26.1, KCVB, "the Valley Channel" Man, this is sooo useless. Its local and broadcasts SD locally produced infomercials for local business. I don't know how they could ever turn a profit with THAT business model! They also sometimes broadcast local High School Sports, which would be fine if they didn't split a game into 3 parts! Oh yea, they have no PSIP.
30.1, The CW. I want this station, the FCC has approved a translator, but the county has yet to put up the money. I just want to watch Saturday Night Live because the local Mormon owned NBC affiliate has decided for me that it is an evil, evil show. Yherefore, nobody can watch it. It is now carried on CW-30 in the same time slot.
Networks I'd like to get?
RTV (old time tv)
the ION triple play, (ION, QUBO, ION Life)
CW, (just for my SNL)
The Cool (Music Video)
Tuff (Male-oriented programming)
LiveWell HD (Health, Lifestyle)
I'd also like to see cc / SAP used more and more creatively on subs, and some good radio or music channels on subs.
Woot to Dave73 for pulling this thread back up, I never would have found it otherwise!
Perhaps we can make this thread sticky, Jay? I think it's important enough.
Here's a link you all may find useful:
List of United States over-the-air television networks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here in cache valley UT, I'm served by translators in UT and ID. We get most of the Salt Lake channels and a few Idaho (Pocatello) stations.
Here's what I get for subs:
2.2, ThisTV. (CBS KUTV sub) I love This, but I have a few complaints. One, HEY, how about broadcasting in 16:9? After all IT IS a movie channel, and all the movies are shot in wide screen. I hate pillarboxes. I undrestand it uses more bandwidth, but it can't be THAT much more. I don't care if it's SD, I'm 15 - 20 ft from the screen, I'll never notice. And the other complaint is the late night infomercials - Ok, once in a while is alright. I understand the need to make money, just not extended blocks.
3.2, MyTV. We get this from Idaho. Its nice to have MY available, although it has the same time slots and episodes late night as our local FOX affiliate (Seinfeld, Simpsons, Family Guy... same episodes, out of sync by 5 minutes!)
4.2, Untamed Sports. The hunting, fishing, outdoors, etc. Channel. Very rarely, I will find something worth watching here.
5.2, Universal Sports. I'm not a sports fanboy. If I was, I could watch this sometimes. It has all those sports that American sports fanatics don't care about: Bicycling, soccer, Volleyball, etc. I have tuned into the Women's Beach Volleyball, but not for the game. (Word to the wise: don't look too closely, and be glad its not HD!) I did like that they showed alternative venues for the Olympics on this network... really nice.
5.3, Local weather. Nice to have, although they have an annoying repetitive music track. The SAP channel has KSL-FM, but it's strange, my TVs and converter boxes handle it differently. My big screen doesn't see the SAP at all.
7.1, KUEN, Utah Educational Network, although a PBS affiliate, they show mainly distance learning programming.
7.2, World: International programming (PBS sub) Some good stuff occasionally, along with your daily dose of Al-Jazeera.
7.3, V-me, Spanish language. Shame they don't closed - caption or SAP in English, because they have some shows from cable... and you KNOW the original was in English with English CC!
8.1, KUTA-LP, America One and Telemundo: This is one of our 2 local LP stations, and its really messed up. They seem schizophrenic, they are America One during the day, and Telemundo overnight. The website has no mention of America One network, no programming guide, and the station has no PSIP. Anyway, America One has a few good shows occasionally including soccer games, and for you menfolks, there's Wrestlicious. Think "pro" wrestling from the '70s with babes. Yea, its funny as hell.
9.2, MhzWorld, another PBS sub. Some occasionally good shows.
9.3 is an audio only NPR station.
10.1, IDPTV, (sd) Idaho PBS, Some pbs and some Idaho - specific public TV. (has kids shows from 5am to 5pm, great for kids)
10.3, PBS LEARN. Along with PBS CREATE, this channel is our go-to replacement for HGTV network and the like.
10.4, WORLD. Again, because we can never get enough PBS / PBS subcannels in Idaho and UTAH!
11.1, 11.2, 11.3, KBYU / BYU TV. The Mormon channel! This "network" is seen as BYU on most Pay-TV systems. It's a PBS affiliate, and along with LDS programming 24/7, 11.1 will show "wholesome" classic TV shows sometimes (Lucy, Waltons, My Three Sons, etc) at night.
11.4, PBS CREATE. Our other do-it yourself / cooking, etc. Go-to channel.
(12.1, KUTF-DT, is owned by DAYSTAR and went dark with the digital transition. DAYSTAR still has a license to operate here in Logan, UT. No big deal if they never come back)
13.1, is an sd sub of fox13 13.2hd. they simulcast 13.2, I have contacted their engineering dept, and they have no plans to broadcast any thing else at this time. (I am attempting to push them to RTV)
14.1 is KJZZ tv, an independent station. It used to be My Network, but dropped that. They also used to broadcast Utah Jazz games, and have local news. After the owner of KJZZ and the Utah Jazz died, they sold the rights to Jazz games to FSN Utah, and dropped their newscast. Larry's kids own the station and don't seem to care about anything but the money. They also show Friends, Scrubs, The Office, Frasier, George Lopez, and My Wife and Kids, along with showing LDS Movies and programming (The Miller family are devout Mormons)
16.1,2, and 3 are ION, QUBO, and ION Life, respectively. We can't get here because there is no translator for them and no plans by local governments to fire one up. I've got a translator 18 miles away with a big mountain in the way. Wish I could get these, QUBO is a kids network.
20.1,2,3, and 4 I could get sometimes if I turned my antenna around. But why? They're a religious channel, they are affiliated with FamilyNet (20.1) with Biz Television / Home on 20.2 and Jewelry TV (20.3), and VidaTV (20.4), Religious / Family Spanish language programming from Salt Lake. I might like to have Biz.tv and the occasional old TV show (Bullwinkle and Underdog on Saturday AM cartoons? Hmm!) Just too much work for a somtimes signal on a not desirable channel.
26.1, KCVB, "the Valley Channel" Man, this is sooo useless. Its local and broadcasts SD locally produced infomercials for local business. I don't know how they could ever turn a profit with THAT business model! They also sometimes broadcast local High School Sports, which would be fine if they didn't split a game into 3 parts! Oh yea, they have no PSIP.
30.1, The CW. I want this station, the FCC has approved a translator, but the county has yet to put up the money. I just want to watch Saturday Night Live because the local Mormon owned NBC affiliate has decided for me that it is an evil, evil show. Yherefore, nobody can watch it. It is now carried on CW-30 in the same time slot.
Networks I'd like to get?
RTV (old time tv)
the ION triple play, (ION, QUBO, ION Life)
CW, (just for my SNL)
The Cool (Music Video)
Tuff (Male-oriented programming)
LiveWell HD (Health, Lifestyle)
I'd also like to see cc / SAP used more and more creatively on subs, and some good radio or music channels on subs.
Perhaps we can make this thread sticky, Jay? I think it's important enough.
Here's a link you all may find useful:
List of United States over-the-air television networks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here in cache valley UT, I'm served by translators in UT and ID. We get most of the Salt Lake channels and a few Idaho (Pocatello) stations.
Here's what I get for subs:
2.2, ThisTV. (CBS KUTV sub) I love This, but I have a few complaints. One, HEY, how about broadcasting in 16:9? After all IT IS a movie channel, and all the movies are shot in wide screen. I hate pillarboxes. I undrestand it uses more bandwidth, but it can't be THAT much more. I don't care if it's SD, I'm 15 - 20 ft from the screen, I'll never notice. And the other complaint is the late night infomercials - Ok, once in a while is alright. I understand the need to make money, just not extended blocks.
3.2, MyTV. We get this from Idaho. Its nice to have MY available, although it has the same time slots and episodes late night as our local FOX affiliate (Seinfeld, Simpsons, Family Guy... same episodes, out of sync by 5 minutes!)
4.2, Untamed Sports. The hunting, fishing, outdoors, etc. Channel. Very rarely, I will find something worth watching here.
5.2, Universal Sports. I'm not a sports fanboy. If I was, I could watch this sometimes. It has all those sports that American sports fanatics don't care about: Bicycling, soccer, Volleyball, etc. I have tuned into the Women's Beach Volleyball, but not for the game
. (Word to the wise: don't look too closely, and be glad its not HD!) I did like that they showed alternative venues for the Olympics on this network... really nice.5.3, Local weather. Nice to have, although they have an annoying repetitive music track. The SAP channel has KSL-FM, but it's strange, my TVs and converter boxes handle it differently. My big screen doesn't see the SAP at all.
7.1, KUEN, Utah Educational Network, although a PBS affiliate, they show mainly distance learning programming.
7.2, World: International programming (PBS sub) Some good stuff occasionally, along with your daily dose of Al-Jazeera.
7.3, V-me, Spanish language. Shame they don't closed - caption or SAP in English, because they have some shows from cable... and you KNOW the original was in English with English CC!
8.1, KUTA-LP, America One and Telemundo: This is one of our 2 local LP stations, and its really messed up. They seem schizophrenic, they are America One during the day, and Telemundo overnight. The website has no mention of America One network, no programming guide, and the station has no PSIP. Anyway, America One has a few good shows occasionally including soccer games, and for you menfolks, there's Wrestlicious. Think "pro" wrestling from the '70s with babes. Yea, its funny as hell.
9.2, MhzWorld, another PBS sub. Some occasionally good shows.
9.3 is an audio only NPR station.
10.1, IDPTV, (sd) Idaho PBS, Some pbs and some Idaho - specific public TV. (has kids shows from 5am to 5pm, great for kids)
10.3, PBS LEARN. Along with PBS CREATE, this channel is our go-to replacement for HGTV network and the like.
10.4, WORLD. Again, because we can never get enough PBS / PBS subcannels in Idaho and UTAH!
11.1, 11.2, 11.3, KBYU / BYU TV. The Mormon channel! This "network" is seen as BYU on most Pay-TV systems. It's a PBS affiliate, and along with LDS programming 24/7, 11.1 will show "wholesome" classic TV shows sometimes (Lucy, Waltons, My Three Sons, etc) at night.
11.4, PBS CREATE. Our other do-it yourself / cooking, etc. Go-to channel.
(12.1, KUTF-DT, is owned by DAYSTAR and went dark with the digital transition. DAYSTAR still has a license to operate here in Logan, UT. No big deal if they never come back)
13.1, is an sd sub of fox13 13.2hd. they simulcast 13.2, I have contacted their engineering dept, and they have no plans to broadcast any thing else at this time. (I am attempting to push them to RTV)
14.1 is KJZZ tv, an independent station. It used to be My Network, but dropped that. They also used to broadcast Utah Jazz games, and have local news. After the owner of KJZZ and the Utah Jazz died, they sold the rights to Jazz games to FSN Utah, and dropped their newscast. Larry's kids own the station and don't seem to care about anything but the money. They also show Friends, Scrubs, The Office, Frasier, George Lopez, and My Wife and Kids, along with showing LDS Movies and programming (The Miller family are devout Mormons)
16.1,2, and 3 are ION, QUBO, and ION Life, respectively. We can't get here because there is no translator for them and no plans by local governments to fire one up. I've got a translator 18 miles away with a big mountain in the way. Wish I could get these, QUBO is a kids network.
20.1,2,3, and 4 I could get sometimes if I turned my antenna around. But why? They're a religious channel, they are affiliated with FamilyNet (20.1) with Biz Television / Home on 20.2 and Jewelry TV (20.3), and VidaTV (20.4), Religious / Family Spanish language programming from Salt Lake. I might like to have Biz.tv and the occasional old TV show (Bullwinkle and Underdog on Saturday AM cartoons? Hmm!) Just too much work for a somtimes signal on a not desirable channel.
26.1, KCVB, "the Valley Channel" Man, this is sooo useless. Its local and broadcasts SD locally produced infomercials for local business. I don't know how they could ever turn a profit with THAT business model! They also sometimes broadcast local High School Sports, which would be fine if they didn't split a game into 3 parts! Oh yea, they have no PSIP.
30.1, The CW. I want this station, the FCC has approved a translator, but the county has yet to put up the money. I just want to watch Saturday Night Live because the local Mormon owned NBC affiliate has decided for me that it is an evil, evil show. Yherefore, nobody can watch it. It is now carried on CW-30 in the same time slot.
Networks I'd like to get?
RTV (old time tv)
the ION triple play, (ION, QUBO, ION Life)
CW, (just for my SNL)
The Cool (Music Video)
Tuff (Male-oriented programming)
LiveWell HD (Health, Lifestyle)
I'd also like to see cc / SAP used more and more creatively on subs, and some good radio or music channels on subs.
This TV: Blame Weigel Broadcasting for not having having This TV in widescreen. I'm sure broadcasters could compress it to standard screen if an individual station doesn't have the bandwidth to show it in widescreen. I know WCIU doesn't, since they refuse to unmap 23.1 & 48.1 from WCIU. I believe that there could free up over 2 or 3mb. of bandwidth for This TV, along with a little extra bandwidth needed for WCIU when HD needs more of it. Not sure where This TV is programmed from, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's programmed at WCIU's studios in Chicago (same place that MeTV, MeToo, FBT, & South Bend's WBND-LD, WMYS-LD, & WCWW-LD are all programmed from). Now as for your CBS affiliate carrying This TV; if I'm reading this correctly, it looks like it's just your CBS affiliate that shows infomercials on This TV during the overnight hours, because This TV in Chicago doesn't show infomercials. If that's not what you meant, then it must be the CBS affiliate that's showing infomercials during the overnight hours. WBBM-TV in Chicago (CBS O&O) shows a lot of infomercials during theovernight hours of most night too (sad for an O&O station, as NBC O&O WMAQ & ABC O&O WLS-TV show very few infomercials).
Mhz Worldview is carried on WYCC 20.3 in Chicago, and programming is alright. Most not to my liking, but it does give a perspective of news around the world, and sometimes reports stories on the US that US broadcasters & other media don't touch.
V-Me is one I'd also like to see with SAP. WTTW in Chicago has this channel on 11.4. I have seen a few shows that were in English, but had Spanish subtitles. For what little Spanish I know, the Spanish didn't even come close to the English. From what I understand, that many PBS stations are carrying V-Me because for now, it's a free service. If it becomes successful enough, I wonder if the owners of V-Me will start charging to carry the channel.
Another WTTW subchannel is Create on 11.3. Like the DIY home project shows, crafts, cooking, or travel. WTTW picked this up after WYIN couldn't afford the fees to keep the channel on their station.
You mentioned that you'd like to get Livewell HD! This has a few good programs. My favorites are Motion (a travel program of some US parks, and not necessarily along tourist hotspots either), Advice For Life, and Let's Dish (a cooking show recorded at WLS-TV's studios). I don't know what ABC is doing to get Livewell HD marketed to ABC affiliates, and the possibility of non-ABC affiliates. They have claimed to struck deals with 5-10 affiliates within the top 20 markets, but those supposed stations have yet to carry Livewell HD. I don't understand either why they picked up My Green House (already carried on Ion Life and played to death) & Mexico One Plate At A Time (already shown on most PBS stations, and produced by WTTW National, the distribution of WTTW produced programming to other stations).
You're also wanting Ion/Ion Life/Qubo? It's available on WCPX in Chicago, and it's nothing to brag about. Ion Television shows more infomercials than they do TV shows. What shows it does carry are the same tired out shows that they have in their library. They haven't spent that much more money to add shows to their lineup. They mainly show Mash in the afternoon, some Qubo in the early morning hours & afternoon, shows like NCIS, Ghost Whisperer, & Criminal Minds in the evening. Ion Life shows the same shows over & over again, including: She's Crafy, Design U, My Green House, Green Matters, Junk Raiders, Home Team, and many more. Most shows on there come from Canada, but some shows were US shows that were in first run syndication, but were cancelled a long time ago. Qubo also shows a lot of stuff from Canada, and most of it coming from the PBS like network, CBC. Supposedly, they're gonna add cartoons that haven't been on the air in years, and that Cartoon Network doesn't have the exclusive rights to, such as She-Ra, He-Man, Transformers, and a few others.
I'd like to see The Cool TV as well. So far, no one in Chicago has been willing to carry the channel. The nearest station to Chicago that carries it is Milwaukee's WTMJ-TV. It's programmed to compliment radio station WLWK. If you have a Sinclair owned station in your market, it should eventually be available, as Sinclair reached a deal with The Cool TV to carry them on any of their station in all markets, except Milwaukee, due to an existing agreement with Journal Broadcasting being in effect for WTMJ-TV. Otherwise, I'm not sure if it will ever come to your market. I don't even know if it'll ever come to Chicago.
Supposedly PBS World is a free service, but all Chicago area PBS stations took a pass on this channel. For WTTW, I believe they made the right decision, because they have more programs than what can be seen in primetime, that having locally programmed WTTW Prime fills that void. WTTW can show their primetime shows anytime, along with reairing shows that previously aired on WTTW 11.1 I'm surprised WYCC took a pass on it, as they have a subchannel available. Not sure of the reason as to WYIN took a pass, but I had heard they're supposed to be a part of the Indiana Channel, if it ever takes off. WYIN also is supposedly programming their own lifestyle channel, called Lakeshore Lifestyle, to replace Create, due to feees being too high. Now if PBS World is free, then maybe WYIN should pick it up. Not sure if I'm missing anything, as WTTW Prime shows a lot of the same shows that PBS World shows, but in more convenient timeslots.
KCSG in Cedar City already has the rights to both RTV and My Network TV in the Salt Lake City market. KSTU can't pick it up as long as that contract exists.
I'm not sure which part of this to call out first.
1) 16:9 SD takes exactly zero extra bits compared to 4:3 SD. None. Weigel made the decision to operate 4:3 because it was designed to be watched on converter boxes and SD sets.
2) 23-1 and 48-1 also cause zero extra bandwidth to be taken. They point to the existing 26-2 and 26-3 streams, just with different channel numbers. Absolutely no bandwidth would be freed by removing those mappings.
- Trip
I'm not sure which part of this to call out first.
1) 16:9 SD takes exactly zero extra bits compared to 4:3 SD. None. Weigel made the decision to operate 4:3 because it was designed to be watched on converter boxes and SD sets.
2) 23-1 and 48-1 also cause zero extra bandwidth to be taken. They point to the existing 26-2 and 26-3 streams, just with different channel numbers. Absolutely no bandwidth would be freed by removing those mappings.
- Trip
As to KCSG, and RTV, I don't think that I'll get a translator for KCSG so I guess my only hope is on the Idaho side of the border. Doesn't look promising there, either.
Interesting to know that 16:9 uses no more bits than 3:4. Perhaps, as time passes and fewer analog sets and converter boxes are in use, they may go to 16:9. My main TV won't "stretch" a 3:4 to fill the screen properly (yea, its distorted, but at least it fills the screen) I can get around that with my DTVpal, I use it for the program guide (my tv has nothing for a guide) but it gives me some formatting options on SD
Interesting to know that 16:9 uses no more bits than 3:4. Perhaps, as time passes and fewer analog sets and converter boxes are in use, they may go to 16:9. My main TV won't "stretch" a 3:4 to fill the screen properly (yea, its distorted, but at least it fills the screen) I can get around that with my DTVpal, I use it for the program guide (my tv has nothing for a guide) but it gives me some formatting options on SD
Just got word on the AVS Forum board that RTV has finally arrived in Chicagoland. Only problem is that it's only available OTA to those who live in the WPVN-LD broadcast area. That means those who live in the south suburbs either won't get it at all, or not as good. It doesn't help either that WPVN-LD is on top of a short building in Schaumburg, IL instead of a taller building closer to Chicago. Since I know Polnet doesn't have the money to locate on the 3 largest skyscrapers in Chicago, I don't know if they could have approached CBS about co-locating on the tower on top of the old WXRT studios. Even that is tall enough to reach most of Chicago. WPVN-LD carries RTV on the main channel, while Polvision is on 24.4, as this is a Polish owned station, and will eventually become a 24 hour Polish language station too, since they'll eventually lose their brokered time on WCIU in December, due to WCIU dropping brokered ethnic programming.
I'm one of those who lives outside of WPVN-LD's coverage area, as I live in Gary Indiana.
I'm one of those who lives outside of WPVN-LD's coverage area, as I live in Gary Indiana.
OTA in Seattle, KOMO (ABC) carries THIS TV on 4.2, KIRO-7 (CBS) carries RTV on 7.2, KING-5 (NBC) carries Universal Sports on 5.2 and every time I see it there is a bicycle race, a swimming event, Aussie Football or Rugby. So far there are no music channels.
I can't say if basic cable in Seattle carries any of them but 30 miles south of me, a friend receives THIS and RTV on his cable. Another friend 40 miles north has none of them on her cable.
As far as 'other awesome sub-channels' I receive two different PBS stations that have V-me, Create and MHZ WLD as subs and the Christian channel has 4 subs including 20.5 (Smile of a child Network) and they run the delightful show, Auto B Good. AUTO-B-GOOD: High octane values, Full throttle fun
I recently learned here: http://www.dtvusaforum.com/dtv-hdtv...ssion/34509-antenna-tv-markets-announced.html a second sub-channel is coming to KZJO-22, which is associated with my local Fox affiliate. Its not running yet and I haven't heard what its content will be.
Jim
I can't say if basic cable in Seattle carries any of them but 30 miles south of me, a friend receives THIS and RTV on his cable. Another friend 40 miles north has none of them on her cable.
As far as 'other awesome sub-channels' I receive two different PBS stations that have V-me, Create and MHZ WLD as subs and the Christian channel has 4 subs including 20.5 (Smile of a child Network) and they run the delightful show, Auto B Good. AUTO-B-GOOD: High octane values, Full throttle fun
I recently learned here: http://www.dtvusaforum.com/dtv-hdtv...ssion/34509-antenna-tv-markets-announced.html a second sub-channel is coming to KZJO-22, which is associated with my local Fox affiliate. Its not running yet and I haven't heard what its content will be.
Jim
Jim,
Antenna TV - AntennaTV has posted its 1Q 2011 lineup, and it sounds real good.
I wish someone would pick up "The Cool" here.
My THIS subchannel has been spliced with MYnetwork TV, creating an unholy mutant monster, They only show THIS part time now. MY network shows are crap, like I need to see more Dr. Phil and Oprah!
Re: V-me, it has some good shows, including some content originally from cable. BUT, you think they could run some subtitles or SAP for those of us who don't "habla"? I mean, most of the shows originally had both English audio and subtitles, right?
Antenna TV - AntennaTV has posted its 1Q 2011 lineup, and it sounds real good.
I wish someone would pick up "The Cool" here.
My THIS subchannel has been spliced with MYnetwork TV, creating an unholy mutant monster, They only show THIS part time now. MY network shows are crap, like I need to see more Dr. Phil and Oprah!
Re: V-me, it has some good shows, including some content originally from cable. BUT, you think they could run some subtitles or SAP for those of us who don't "habla"? I mean, most of the shows originally had both English audio and subtitles, right?
Minor networks on FTA?
I was looking into FTA dish recently, and noticed that some of these minor networks are available on FTA either as network feeds or as the signal of an affiliate.
I am considering doing FTA satellite in about a year... Money is tight now, but I think for a few hundred $$ it will be worthwhile.
I was looking into FTA dish recently, and noticed that some of these minor networks are available on FTA either as network feeds or as the signal of an affiliate.
I am considering doing FTA satellite in about a year... Money is tight now, but I think for a few hundred $$ it will be worthwhile.