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Free DTV ota

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#41
It's nice to see people catching on to this free dtv, finally. It also sounds like viewers have various hook-ups and that they are figuring out on their own how to set up the free systems. From the beginning, 2/2008, I wanted to spread the word that it makes a huge difference what type of antenna you use.

In other words, if you are going to install an antenna, wouldn't you want the best one that picks up the most channels possible? I got the feeling that people didn't know that there was a vast difference in antennas. In the beginning, and still now, no one is talking about the importance of choosing the proper antenna; or, even that a rotor would also be a plus.

And, how many ran out to buy new tvs with all the hype (advertising) about "HD" and "Digital" tvs? It's all deceptive marketing, advertising ... a scam. I've still got my old tvs, what about you? I'm dirt poor and can't afford to run to the store to buy the lastest products. Anyway, I've noticed "staticMHZ" mentioned TVFOOL ... a word about that - - don't believe a word of it. They told me, to discourage me no doubt, that I'd only get 5 channels if I was lucky. They are bold-faced liars keeping people ignorant.

You call up the company to buy your antenna that you've researched online and then they ask for your zip code. Damn crooks, it ought to be a crime to mislead and intentionally deceive customers. I've sent people to this company and they call me back saying that they told them they won't get many channels. I was furious and angry. So from then on, I tell them to ignore those liars and trust me.

Who are you gonna believe, someone who sells pay-tv systems (in addition to free ota antennas) or me, someone who's been getting well over 20 channels in a market that only 2 fuzzy snow-reception analog channels before the switch to digital? Always consider the source! They are motivated liars and just want to sell you crap you don't need. Man, does that ever piss me off. I've called and screamed at them to no avail. They are effing liars and crooks.

You have to be informed because there are alot of sharks out there trying to capitalize on your ignorance. You have to know what you want before calling or ordering. An amplified antenna with the highest range, wire or coaxial, a rotor (and I'm assuming you know that you need a converter box for your older set). Get your facts and info together beforehand.

Also, this free dtv information is not mainstream knowledge. In other words, it's up to us, the user/viewers, to spread the word. These companies are in business to make money on your ignorance and don't care about giving you the real truth about free dtv. Come on people, don't you know that anyone in business will lie to you? All commercials are lies, when did you stop believing that? What's the goal of an advertisement, commercial, marketing?

Maybe you need to listen to Tom Mabe of "Mabe in America," telemarketing prankster. You can find him on CMT.com and YouTube.com. You'll be reminded of why it's important to think for yourselves. And don't get me started on the cable giant greedy liars who promised commercial-free tv in the beginning to hook us ... whew, what a pack of thieving liars!!!!!!

And yes, I get RTV/RTN/My9 (comcast crooks)/ThisTV (17.1 + 17.2 Philly) and so much more. The thing is, I've maximized the # of channels I can receive by choosing the best amplified roof antenna and mounting it as high as possible to minimize obstructions in the airwaves.

You've got to know certain basic concepts to get the most bang for your buck. Otherwise, you are just floundering and guessing. Having a rotor too, sweetens the deal. Really folks, why pay when it's this good for free ota (over-the-air)?!?!?!?!?!?
 
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MrPogi

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#42
Free DTV ota;

Agreed, but there are some caveats:

1> Some people lost stations in the digital switch.
2> There is no one antenna that is best for all situations. Some people can get away with inexpensive antennas, even rabbit ears. Others on the fringes need a really good fringe antenna. Some need only UHF, others need VHF, too. There's no sense in buying an expensive UHF/VHF antenna designed for fringe areas when you live in a place that only needs a 2-bay UHF antenna.
3> amps are very good when you have a lot of TV sets connected to one antenna. But if you are driving one TV, you probably don't need one. You can't amplify a signal that isn't there - and all amps add noise, and noise can even cause you to LOOSE weaker channels.
4> Not all places can make use of a rotor. In my location, all my towers are north and south of me, and since I am in a valley, there's no chance of getting channels outside the valley. If I point my antenna north, I get all my towers because my antenna has fair reception off the back side. Even if I had to put up an antenna for each tower, it would be cheaper - and more convenient - than a rotor. If you live in an area that has towers all around you, then a rotor is a great choice.

Thanks for your input!
 
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SWHouston

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#43
If I may expand on Pogi's Item #4...

Rotators are good, but, not all TV's/Boxs/DVR deal with them that well.

Most TV's now a days, require a Scan of available Channels. Then, some TV's will "demand" that you select the Channels they have Scanned. Won't let you select a Channel that they haven't logged in as accessible.

When you have a Rotor, then do a scan, what happens to the Channels you can't select, which the Rotator can access. See what I mean.
 

MrPogi

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#44
Good point, SW. That's why I prefer multiple antennas to a rotor if possible. They make "channel surfing" damn near impossible.
 

SWHouston

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#45
Pogi,

To add to that a little, ther's probably a hundred ways to do a workaound on that.
Scan your TV to one Azimuth, your Box to the next, VCR to the next and so on...

One thing that most of us seem to have an aversion to, is an Omni-directional Antenna !!!
I've had reasonably good luck with them (installed them - but never had to use one personally)

They come with Amps, don't reach out all that far (usually max 45 miles) and would work REAL good in a lot of situations. BUT, most guys just don't like them for some reason !?!?!
 

dkreichen1968

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#46
I've seen a metrostar on a 20 ft tower used for this TV Fool

I don't know what they get. 6 and 27 are the same feed, but if they get 33, they get ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, & MyNetwork. Not bad!!! Though NBC isn't HD. At least as far as I know.
 

MrPogi

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#47
I have a co worker install an omni 2 weeks ago. He took it back 1 week ago, and wants me to make him an antenna.

I think they may be ok in some situations, but those are fairly limited - for TV. Now, for FM, I have had very good results for omnis. FM transmitters tend to be spread around quite a bit more than TV transmitters, which tend to be clustered.
 

dave73

DTVUSA Member
#50
Good point, SW. That's why I prefer multiple antennas to a rotor if possible. They make "channel surfing" damn near impossible.
For me in the Chicago market, only 1 full power station (not counting WWTO, due to their license being LaSalle, IL, & is much closer to Peoria, IL than Chicago, & barely covers the Chicago market) is not located on a Chicago skyscraper (WYIN Gary, IN). While WYIN can locate in Chicago, they don't have the money to lease space on any of the 3 tallest buildings, due to high lease rates. They tried it already when they planned to locate both their analog & digital transmitters on the Sears Tower in 2003. Before they built their facilities, they got a quote that after the first year, the rates were gonna go thru the roof, and had to withdraw their original digital application, and use their existing tower for their digital antenna & transmitter instead. That made both WTTW & WYCC happy that WYIN didn't locate in Chicago, and tried to block the move. The FCC denied WTTW & WYCC's request, as this wasn't an interference or program issue. This was a problem that WTTW & WYCC would have had to bring up with PBS over costs, since WYIN gets a discount on their programming, due to their COL being Gary Indiana, & not Chicago, Illinois. As for where all the stations are located at, 12 stations are on the Sears Tower, & 2 are on the John Hancock, while WYIN is transmitting from a 950' tower (side mounted, while the old analog antenna is another 50' on top) in Cedar Lake Indiana. For me, I only have to have 2 antennas (VHF/UHF combo for Chicago & UHF only for WYIN). The VHF/UHF combo is pointed between 333° & 336° at Chicago (NW) & UHF only antenna pointed at 188° for WYIN (south with a slight tilt to the west). Back in the analog days, if I wanted WJYS, then I needed one pointed to the west at approximately 270°. I never bothered because I didn't like the station then, & I especially don't like it now. Both WJYS & WYIN never came in clearly in analog for me.

Now back to the original topic, starting Monday, WMAQ will be replacing their weather radar with their version of Chicgao Nonstop, modeled after WNBC's New York Nonstop. I personally would rather see the radar stay. If anything, I'd rather see Universal Sports go, as I don't want to watch old sports (especially old olympic coverage), and the channel looks grainy. Chicago Nonstop will have radio shows from Don & Roma in the morning & Roe & Roeper in the afternoon from WLS-AM. This is ok as ABC sold off WLS-AM to Citadel, not a comlict of interest. The only problem is the afternoon show, which NBC solved by having Roe & Roeper create an hour of their show just for Chicago Nonstop, in order to keep Ron Magers off the TV version of the show, since he's under contract with ABC at WLS-TV. The taped version will take place from 2-3pm, & aired from 3-4pm The show goes live at 4pm and end at 6pm, as Ron Magers will be in the WLS-TV studios after 4pm. If Ron Magers weren't on WLS-AM, then NBC could have the entire Roe & Roeper show live, instead of having 1 hour taped to keep Ron Magers off the TV version, then go live for the remaining 2 hours.

I still have to wait another month before Weigel broadcasting drops their brokered ethnic programming, FBT, and replace it with U Too on WCIU 26.6 (supposedly will also be on 26.5 as well, plus lp station WCUU-CA will also be U Too). It will be an extension of The U (as WCIU calls their main channel) by reairing shows from 26.1 in different timeslots, plus add independent programming not being shown anywhere else. I could also see WCIU moving select shows that normally air in primetime be moved to U Too for when WCIU has sprtscasts farmed out to them from WGN-TV. Since other broadcasters are getting their own low power TV stations on the air, FBT has lost a lot of their programming, and now, it's primarily Chinese network NTD & Polish network from Chicago, Polvision buying airtime on the channel. Weigel lately has had to air some infomercials to fill the timeslots that aren't getting sold anymore. So after 46 years, they'll be out of the brokered ethnic programming. It's sad, but not really needed anymore. Now that Polnet has their own TV station to move Polvision to, maybe they can pickup some of the ethnic programming that Weigel will be dropping. Polnet already does it with their AM radio stations, and WPVN-LD has 2 additional subchannels that have yet to have programming.
 

Fringe Reception

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#51
Jim,

Antenna TV - AntennaTV has posted its 1Q 2011 lineup, and it sounds real good.
Mr Pogi,

GREAT detective work! :thumb: Although listed for Seattle as KZIO, I'm certain that is actually KZJO, the station I mentioned earlier that is adding a second sub-channel.

I already receive Married with Children, All In The Family, Father Knows Best and the Three Stooges, but Benny Hill and the others offered at that website have not been available here in years or may have never been repeated here.

I am very curious what movies they will offer and I think they are playing with their wording by saying "digital multicast" -- sure, lots of different stations televising could mean that, but multicasting can also be interpreted as several feeds from one source/station.

By the way, as near as I can tell the CW (Morse Code) at the end of the video translates to: 6c, ..-- (not a Morse code character) taq wbc

Jim
 

MrPogi

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For those of us without RETRO, Antenna TV will be great. Some of their shows are from the 50's - including - check this out - Circus Boy, starring Mickey Dolenz as a boy. Yes, that Mickey, from the Monkees, which also showing on AntennaTV. I am keeping tabs on AntennaTV, as my blog readers seem very interested in it. I've linked over to www.TVparty.com for them to explore classic shows like these.

The only "Classic" TV I get now is on KBYU, the Mormon channel - as its very clean and decent, I must say. Shows so wholesome I want to puke... Lawrence Welk, The Waltons. I love Lucy is good, but only 1 episode a week. And even all those shows together make up only a few hours of programming a week.
 
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dkreichen1968

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The only "Classic" TV I get now is on KBYU, the Mormon channel - as its very clean and decent, I must say. Shows so wholesome I want to puke... Lawrence Welk, The Waltons. I love Lucy is good, but only 1 episode a week. And even all those shows together make up only a few hours of programming a week.
I take it your not a Mormon? How is living in Utah? I had a recuiter try to recruit me for a job in Utah, and I was like I prefer Colorado. His answer was the climate and landscape is simular, and I answered... The people and culture are different.
 

MrPogi

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True. The folks are nice... and clannish. just different for sure.
if you get a chance rent "Mobsters and Mormons" - an LDS flick. You may not "get it" if you don't live here, but you'll sort of understand where I am. Funny thing is, theres almost as many Mexicans as Mormons here now.
 

dkreichen1968

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True. The folks are nice... and clannish. just different for sure.
if you get a chance rent "Mobsters and Mormons" - an LDS flick. You may not "get it" if you don't live here, but you'll sort of understand where I am. Funny thing is, theres almost as many Mexicans as Mormons here now.
Does "Mobsters and Mormons" distribute outside of "Zion"? I had a Mormon roommate in college (20 years ago at the University of Wyoming) and he said that Catholics out numbered Mormons in Salt Lake City due to Hispanic imigration back then. You'ld probably be clannish too if you had to wear funky underwear.

Did you know that when Howard Hughes owned Vegas casinos that he had Mormons (the "Mormon Mafia") run them? They like to display a saccrine sweet face, but I think their not much less prone to hypocrisy than the rest of us.
 
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Free DTV ota

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#56
Yes, I get all that plus so much more. What type of antenna are you using? Indoor or outdoor? Amplified or not? With or without a rotor? With a new digital tv set or with an old analog tv set and a converter box? No one seems to have the set-up I have and I'm not surprised either, what with the cable and satellite companies intentionally keeping this secret. Esp. Comcast - they are the biggest greediest liars of all. No one even noticed their national lie and the FCC looked the other way and allowed it. Creeps. If people knew how easy it was not to pay for tv - well, they'd drop it in a heartbeat. But unfortunately, the lies and brainwashing stuck and nobody knows the truth. Poor helpless nitwits who believe every advertisement they hear. They no longer know how to decipher fact from fiction. Talk about the dumbing down of society?!?!? This whole cable/satellite scam proves it's happened. No one is capable of thinking critically nor at all, quite frankly. This whole fiasco proves that people believe anything you tell them w/o question. Suckers. Am I the only one who knows to consider the source? Come on people, wake the hell up. Stop paying for something you don't have to. Not now, since digital came to town.
 

MrPogi

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Does "Mobsters and Mormons" distribute outside of "Zion"? I had a Mormon roommate in college (20 years ago at the University of Wyoming) and he said that Catholics out numbered Mormons in Salt Lake City due to Hispanic imigration back then. You'ld probably be clannish too if you had to wear funky underwear.

Did you know that when Howard Hughes owned Vegas casinos that he had Mormons (the "Mormon Mafia") run them? They like to display a saccrine sweet face, but I think their not much less prone to hypocrisy than the rest of us.
Hah, the "magic Undergarments", LOL. They are supposed to provide protection from evil. All I know is when we were building our house, there were many times that the magic pants saved me from the evil of having to look at fat womens' cracks. So I guess they work, in a way...

Howard Hughes hired them because they don't smoke or drink. Big secret: they don't drink or smoke, or gamble (supposedly, but a lot of them are "Jack Mormon"), but they don't mind profiting from it, not one bit.

Yes, you can rent that movie from Netflix, and maybe BB online. Its actually not bad.
 

MrPogi

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So, part of the stalemate over the remaining few channels in my local area has been - possibly - resolved.

I find myself in a situation where I may be able to influence the owners of at least one LP station, possibly 2, as to network and programming choices. What would YOU choose- any suggestions?

Here's a list of networks:

List of United States over-the-air television networks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here's my Rabbitears.info showing what I have already:
RabbitEars.Info=

Ignore any transmitters that aren't listed as LOGAN or PRESTON: I can't get them.
 

MrPogi

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#60
Jay, could we move this entire thread into the HDTV reception and antenna discussion area? I think it would be a better place for it.
 
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